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Friday, 3 November 2017

The test experts say should be mandatory in our EDs

REGIONAL Queensland children are more likely to be overweight or obese and at risk of developing type-2 diabetes than their Brisbane cousins.
Queensland Health statistics show almost every regional Queensland city has a higher rate of overweight or obese children than the capital.
Only the Sunshine Coast and Cairns have lower rates of children who are overweight or obese than Brisbane’s north.
In north Brisbane, 21.5 per cent of children are overweight or obese, compared to 23.3 per cent on the Gold Coast, 26.2 per cent in Wide Bay, 27.2 per cent in Central Queensland, 27.3 per cent on the Darling Downs, 27.6 per cent in Mackay, 28 per cent in Ipswich and 30.7 per cent in Townsville.
Experts say mandatory testing for type-2 diabetes in regional emergency rooms could save lives and millions of dollars, while forming healthy exercise habits through regional sport can help with prevention.
This obesity data comes days after we revealed that regional children are quitting school far earlier than their city counterparts. In Brisbane, 81 per cent of children get to the end of Year 12, but the figure is barely 50 per cent in some rural areas.
It is what caused us to launch Fair Go For Our Kids, a campaign that is aimed at lifting education resourcing in the regions and addressing associated youth problems.
Diabetes Australia statistics show 81 per cent of Queenslanders with type-2 diabetes registered with the National Diabetes Services Scheme live outside Brisbane.
That’s 166,465 people. Health groups have warned being overweight or obese from a young age significantly increases the risk of long-term chronic diseases.
Diabetes Queensland has called on both major parties to commit to introduce type-2 diabetes screening at hospital emergency departments.
A western Sydney trial of mandatory diabetes testing found 47% of all ED patients had either diabetes or pre-diabetes.
Diabetes Queensland CEO Michelle Trute said there were 100,000 Queenslanders who had type-2 diabetes and did not know it.
“We need to find these people; if we don’t then every year that goes by their symptoms are getting worse,” she said.
“If people are getting blood work done at an emergency room, then we should be doing this test as well.”
Professor Trute said regional hospitals had the opportunity to be ahead of the curve if this was rolled out.
“People will say that this will end up with more people needing treatment and imposing more cost and effort on our health system. But that’s a cop out.
“These people already have type-2 diabetes,” she said.
“If we can pick it up earlier than we are at the moment, then we will reduce the treatment they need later and avoid the high cost to the health system.”
Professor Trute said a person who was overweight or obese as a child was more likely to develop type-2 diabetes as an adult.
“We need to encourage kids to stay away from soft drinks and unhealthy food and to get out there and play sport,” she said.
“Good habits that our kids learn at an early age prepare them for the world ahead.
“As adults we know a popular form of stress relief is exercise. If our kids aren’t forming exercise habits, not only will they have challenges with overall physical health, they may also have issues with dealing with the stresses of life, too.”
– NewsRegional

One Nation advisor facing rape charge

ONE Nation Ipswich candidate Malcolm Roberts’ media advisor has been charged with rape.


While media reports suggest there is some distance between the two men, the QT can reveal the accused was working for Mr Roberts up until yesterday morning.


Sean Black, 39, has been committed to stand trial for rape after being slapped with seven charges, including assault, earlier this year.


Fairfax media has reported Mr Black was just a “friend” of the former senator, now Ipswich candidate for One Nation, and not working as a campaign manager for Mr Roberts.
The ABC referred to Mr Black as “one-time media advisor” to the former senator and said Mr Roberts had confirmed “Mr Black no longer works for him”.


But Mr Black has been working with the QT on the State Election campaign in the past week.


It is not known whether this was a paid role.


Mr Black had plans to meet with the QT yesterday morning over Mr Roberts campaign, but cancelled at the last minute.


The rape offence was allegedly committed on an unknown date in October 2007. Queensland law prevented media from revealing that Mr Black was facing the rape charge until he was committed to stand trial. According to court records, Mr Black was committed in an administrative process not open to the public in Brisbane Magistrates Court registry a number of weeks ago.


The QT contacted Mr Roberts for comment.

THE CONE OF CONNIVERS

OUR national leaders are in a state of denial, locking themselves into a cone of silence and refusing to settle the citizenship crisis with a full audit to determine if a dozen federal MPs are still ineligible to sit in Parliament.
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and his front bench, led by Treasurer Scott Morrison, yesterday mocked the idea of forcing an end to the drama that has been crippling Australian politics for months. And, in an act of cross-party political connivance driven by the fear of losing MPs, Labor leader Bill Shorten backed the PM’s insistence that an audit of parliamentarians’ dual citizenship status was unnecessary. But yesterday Liberal powerbroker Michael Kroger and former minister Kevin Andrews both called for an audit of all MPs under a citizenship cloud.
CALLS for a full-scale citizenship audit of federal parliamentarians are mounting as more than a dozen Labor and Liberal politicians refuse to release documents proving they are eligible to be elected.
Liberal MP Kevin Andrews and Nationals MP Llew O’Brien are the latest Coalition backbenchers to back an audit, while Liberal Ian Macdonald and Labor’s Alex Gallacher say they are open to a citizenship check for all parliamentarians. Victorian Liberals heavyweight Michael Kroger also expressed support for the move.
The latest citizenship crisis was sparked by the revelation that Senate president Stephen Parry was a dual British citizen, which he announced after the High Court booted five other parliamentarians over their dual national status.
Communications Minister Mitch Fifield last night confirmed that he was the senior cabinet minister to whom Mr Parry expressed his concerns about potentially being a dual citizen before the Tasmanian Senator eventually came clean to the public.
“Former Senator Parry mentioned to me a few weeks ago that he was endeavouring to check his family’s records,” Senator Fifield said.
“The onus is on all Senators and members to satisfy themselves of their circumstances and I encouraged Senator Parry to do so.”
Mr Parry’s announcement and resignation from parliament led to calls for several Labor and Liberal MPs, who were born overseas or who have foreign-born parents, to release proof they are not still dual citizens.
Former social services minister Kevin Andrews said the issue would “continue to fester politically”. “If I was the Prime Minister I would be ordering, requesting, the (Australian Electoral Commission) for example, to immediately undertake an examination of every MP and senator and to report as soon as possible back to the government,” he said.
Mr O’Brien joined Nation- als colleague Andrew Broad in publicly backing an audit, telling The Daily Telegraph: “If the people want an audit, I’m supportive of it, I don’t have a problem with the concept.”
Of the move Senator Macdonald said: “I wouldn’t oppose it, nor do I advocate it.”
Liberals Craig Kelly and Eric Abetz are already pushing for an audit of all their parliamentary colleagues. But Turnbull government ministers have distanced themselves from an audit despite Barnaby Joyce claiming there were “probably” other dual citizens sitting in parliament.
There were also signs of a softening on the issue from Bill Shorten’s camp with a source close to the Opposition Leader saying he had never ruled it out: “We need convincing that it would actually be effective, who’d run it, how it would work.”
Mr Gallacher, a Labor MP born in Scotland, said he had “the relevant documents and when the powers that be ask me to release them, I will”.

How govt plans to break into top 50

New Delhi: Even as it celebrates the jump in ease of doing business rankings, the government has started chalking out the strategy to move up further with a focus on improving logistics, port infrastructure and connectivity as well as steps related to enforcement of contract.
Already, the DIPP has got the ministry of corporate affairs to start stakeholder consultation on further simplifying the process of incorporation of companies and name reservation. Similarly, the commerce department is putting a lot of emphasis on improving logistics, which is crucial not just for export and import but also for reducing the infra cost for
The govt will focus on improving logistics, port infra & connectivity as well as steps related to the enforcement of contract
movement of goods produced and sold within the country, sources said. “The improved rankings have only strengthened our resolve to muscle our way into the elite group of top 50 countries,” said a high-ranking government officer.
While the Centre has to work with the states on easing the process for obtaining construction permits, ministries have been asked to move swiftly to work on matters falling under their domain so that PM Narendra Modi’s target for India to break into the top-50 group is achieved quickly. This will be in addition to the positive feedback that the government is hoping to receive for the introduction of goods and services tax and a large number of the 122 initiatives that have already been initiated.
The government reckons that despite “partisan quibbles” over the improvement in the ease of doing business ranking, which saw India jump 30 places to the 100th position, the issue of cutting red tape has taken centre stage and all political parties will have to move in that direction. In fact, the race to attract investments — both domestic and foreign — has already driven states to move faster with changes in rules so that decision-making is faster. The state rankings, launched by the Modi government in 2015, too has done its bit to drive changes in rules in the states.
“It is no longer a matter to be debated just among secretaries and in conferences of business chambers. What you do to attract investment and help generate wealth is now a matter of national discourse and governments and parties will from now on increasingly be judged on how they fare on this count. This itself is a big achievement of this government,” said a senior government functionary.

Saturday, 28 October 2017

The gift

On Christmas Eve 1940, soon after my tenth birthday, my grandmother gave me a small wooden box with a lock and key. There was nothing inside it, and as far as I can remember she didn’t explain it. I’d been expecting a book: that was what she always gave to me and my brothers and sisters, and our cousins. I still have a later gift: Wilkie Collins’ classic detective story The Moonstone, given when I was 14.
From earliest childhood I remember her reading to me from Kipling’s Just So Stories and laughing so much at the Elephant Child’s persistent questions that she had to stop for breath. Books mattered to her; she could think of nothing better for her many grandchildren than the gift of words. Even when she couldn’t afford the expense, she bought a five-shilling book, usually an Everyman Classic, for each of us who was old enough to read. But the empty box: why then, and why to me?
I knew about the box, though I was too young to understand its meaning. I knew that it was part
of the story of my grandmother’s arrival in Australia in 1888. She was just 19, and she had made the long voyage by sailing ship from her home in Liverpool with her older sister and brother, Minnie and Joe. She was Agnes Jane, known as Aggie, the fifth of the 11 children of Irish-born John and Jane Maguire. Like hundreds of thousands of others in Liverpool, John and Jane had been part of the great wave of Irish emigration in the 1840s, the decade of the Great Hunger. A million starved, and those who could find the fare left Ireland for England, the United States or Australia. The New World offered more hope, but Liverpool was cheaper by far.
After some years of struggle John Maguire prospered in Liverpool, and he married and brought up his family there. By the time the three young Maguires set sail for Australia, the family had moved beyond its refugee origins and was well on its way on an extraordinary rags-to-riches journey. Aggie, who was well educated and wanted to earn her own living as a teacher, came to Australia in a spirit of hope and adventure, not the desperation of her parents’ generation. The main reason for leaving Liverpool was concern about the health of the second son, Joe, who was nearly 21. He was said to have a “weak chest”. This phrase usually meant tuberculosis or the fear of it. Leaving damp, smoggy Liverpool for sunny Australia would give Joe a chance.
The Maguires embarked on May 22, 1888. Aggie never said much about the voyage out. An ordeal for anyone, it would have been a searing experience for a teenager who was leaving home for the first time. The Trafalgar was a cargo ship – quite small at just over 1400 tons – that carried 24 passengers on this particular voyage. It wouldn’t have been especially comfortable, and there were none of the diversions that passenger ships could offer.
While his sisters amused themselves – Minnie had brought her paints and Aggie had as many books as she could fit in her trunk – Joe learnt the elements of carpentry. That’s when he made the box for Aggie. On the long days when the ship was becalmed, he worked on the project. The box, which was made of Australian cedar, shows that Joe was new to the craft. The wood was nothing special, probably oddments from the carpenter’s shop; the dovetailing on one side is uneven, and the hinged lid looks like a second attempt.
Not long after finishing the box, Joe collapsed. He had developed peritonitis, a complication of the tuberculosis. There was a doctor on board, and the captain was a kind man who “gave good care” but there was nothing they could do to save Joe. He died, painfully, five days later, one day before his 21st birthday. The ship was then about 30 days out at sea, not even halfway to Sydney. And now his grieving sisters faced another ordeal.
In The Long Farewell, Don Charlwood describes the ritual of sea burial: [The coffin] was placed on a grating at the bulwarks on the main deck and covered with a Union Jack. Often the ship’s bell was tolled… a clergyman or the captain read the service; the grating was tilted and the body was launched into the sea. One splash, and the ship moved on.
Joe’s coffin would have been made by his friend, the ship’s carpenter. His gift to his younger sister became poignant. Aggie would always think of the coffin and the box as linked to one another – one in the sea’s depths, the other for her “to keep things in” as she did almost to the end of her life. It became her memory box. Part of her private self she kept locked inside it.
The Trafalgar arrived in Sydney on August 23 after 90 days at sea. Late in this unhappy voyage there were two more deaths: an invalid and a newborn. Somehow the two young Maguire women endured the 60 days after Joe’s death. Living among strangers in cramped quarters, with no privacy, must have been an ordeal. Perhaps that’s when Aggie taught herself to meet grief with silence. Just a few months before Grandmother gave Joe’s box to me, her flat had been burgled and the box wrenched open. Papers were scattered and some jewellery was taken. At the time, she was away from home. The burglary was reported to my mother, who went to check the damage. She was distressed about the broken box, and took it to be repaired. She didn’t make the mistake of giving it a new look; a few fine scratches on the base and some worn edges still showed its age, as they do today. With a new lock and key, smaller than the originals, it seemed as strong as ever, but Grandmother never used it again. A few months later she pasted a Christmas card with my name on it inside the lid and let me make what I could of this puzzling, remarkable gift.
Now, after 75 years in my possession, I’ve turned my mind to the box as it was in 1888, to that long sea journey, and to the young woman who went teaching in a one-room bush school in Burramine, northern Victoria, and fell in love with a Riverina grazier, Richard Gorman.
If Aggie had personal papers in the box, they were lost long ago. I depend on public records, places and people for details of her life. My own memories are limited. My mother’s papers, which include a family memoir, go back only to her childhood in the early years of the 20th century. In her closely written pages, I see Aggie as a young widow, mother of seven, enduring loneliness at Galtee Park, the property left for her to manage when her husband Richard died. Choosing to put her children first, she did her best to give them a happy childhood. She made the same choice for her many grandchildren, creating a warm and lively family centre for them in Melbourne during their boarding-school years. It wasn’t a small matter. There were often half a dozen teenagers visiting at the same time, most of them missing home. Whether they came from outback NSW, Deniliquin or Bendigo, they were all hungry for her attention as well as her cooking and one another’s company. As one of the city grandchildren, I enjoyed the exuberant space she created for us all.
In one of her few plaintive moments, Aggie
said: “All my life I’ve wanted to live in a house by the sea where I could look out of the window and watch the boats coming in.” That longing was expressed in one of her small treasures: a brown and white conch shell that she kept on the windowsill beside her armchair. All her grandchildren loved the shell. “Can you hear the sea?” Aggie would say, as each child held it and heard, miraculously, the sound of waves.
In old age, she could have had her ocean view. She could have lived well within her limited means in a little house at Point Lonsdale or Queenscliff. Instead she chose a small, charmless flat in suburban Kew. The country boarders were her first concern. She knew about loneliness and displacement.
I thought at first that only those relatives aged over 80 would have much to offer me in my search for Aggie’s story. In fact, some who were very small children when Grandmother died in 1953 have retrieved surprisingly vivid memories. To this day, her grandchildren can recite the names of her Liverpool family: Annie, Minnie, Johnnie, Joe, Aggie, Edie, Bob, Dick, Bert, Percy, Clara. There’s a nice rhythm in it, like a nursery rhyme. I learnt it from my mother, Aggie’s younger daughter. My cousin Pam, living in Canberra, beautiful as always in her 90th year, sends me an email: “I loved her and I wanted to be like her.” Pam used to brush Grandmother’s hair at bedtime. Worn in an unbecoming bun by day, it was “soft and shining silver”, almost waist-length. Pam’s vignette stirs a memory of my own. I was recovering from a bout of asthma for which, in my childhood, there was no relief except adrenalin injections, which made me sick. As I began to feel better, I became imperious. “Sing to me, Grandmother,” I ordered. She never sang in company, but we were alone, and she gave in. I must have had this command performance more than once because I can still remember all the words of Silver Threads Among the Gold. This 19th-century favourite begins: “Darling, I am growing old / Silver threads among the gold / Shine upon my brow today.” Then the refrain: “Yet, my darling, you will be / Always young and fair to me.” She sang softly but with the feeling that has held it in my memory.
I feel the prick of tears when I think of her singing and I wonder what moved her to choose Silver Threads. She was only 39, with no silver threads in her dark hair, when Richard died aged 43 in November 1908. He had contracted actinomycosis, a rare bacterial disease, and endured a long, painful decline. No one else remembers Grandmother singing, though she taught music before her marriage. Come to that, no one remembers much of what she said. A quiet woman, they all agree. Silent even. But her laughter is remembered. An engaging chuckle, says her grandson Adrian. Margaret, then aged about six, recalls being sent to fetch an extra chair to the sitting room. She finds a commode and, not knowing what it is, drags it in. There are visitors, but “Grandmother laughed and laughed”.
I go back to my own early memories. I realise that Christmas 1940, when she gave me Joe’s box, was a traumatic time for her. The war in Europe still seemed a remote event to many Australians. Life in Aggie’s quiet street in Kew went on without much visible change. But Aggie must have known her family in England was facing immediate danger. The bombing of Liverpool that Christmas meant the obliteration of places she knew well.
From 1939 to 1942 she took me to the city, where the Athenaeum cinema showed British films, most of them wartime morale-raisers. I see these movies now as her way of connecting with her homeland. She wouldn’t have wanted to go on her own: women didn’t sit alone in cinemas. Because of my intermittent bouts of asthma, I was allowed to miss school almost as often as I liked, and was always available and eager for an outing. At 10, I was old enough to enjoy the films, and I looked forward to the milkshake at Hillier’s on Collins Street afterwards. I didn’t know enough to guess at my grandmother’s feelings. A reserved woman, she wouldn’t have wanted sympathy or intrusive questions. She always held my hand on these excursions, which wasn’t really necessary; there was very little traffic and I was used to taking the tram to school on my own. Was it a comfort to have a small child to hold on to? I loved those excursions with Grandmother, but I cannot remember much of what we talked about.
The sessions always began with a Gaumont British newsreel. “Don’t look, dear,” Grandmother would say, covering my eyes whenever an image of destruction came on the screen. The newsreels we watched together would have brought devastating sights. Second only to London in strategic importance, Liverpool was a prime target for the Luftwaffe. High explosives demolished much of the dockland areas where the Maguires had lived in their early days. Fires burned day and night around Merseyside. The Christmas Blitz, between December 20 and 22, 1940, killed 365 people in Liverpool and injured many more. Grandmother would have known that the newsreels were censored to limit civilian fears, and that the reality was much worse.
The timing of her gift to me of Joe’s box, after our first wartime movie excursions, now seems significant. We always went early to the cinema so as not to miss the newsreels. We saw film clips and heard Churchill’s voice praising the brave people of Liverpool. Except for her sister Minnie, Aggie had no one who understood how it felt to be so far away, no one else to talk to about the city’s devastation. Letters from home came “Passed by Censor”. I hope that the company of a happily oblivious 10-year-old was better than nothing.
Perhaps, in emptying Joe’s box in this time of destruction, Aggie was closing down her past. Perhaps she thought the box should be tabula rasa, a space for me to inscribe new experiences in a country to which she never quite belonged. Edited extract from Can You Hear the Sea? By Brenda Niall (Text Publishing, $29.99), out October 30.

Interview

Tegan and Sara look back: What a difference a decade makes.
When a band seems to embody the zeitgeist perfectly, it’s impossible to parse where culture’s influence on the band ends and where its influence on culture begins; it looks symbiotic and inevitable. Only, that’s hardly ever the case. Like with raising a child (or electing a president), all sorts of factors combine over time to create artists who seem perfectly of the moment. It’s only in retrospect that you can see how it all happened.
Take Tegan and Sara. While it seems obvious now that the world needs a pair of queer twins playing ’80s-inspired synth pop, shockingly that wasn’t always the case.
The Canadian wonder twins of pop are looking back over their career as this year marks the 10th anniversary of The
Con, an album that kind of sits at the fulcrum between their early career and the beginning of their new one. It’s apparent how the sisters have reflected on, and responded to, culture over the years. “To be queer back when we started—in the 1990s—you were fucked. Most people were just like ‘Say hello to the underground because that’s all you’ll ever have,’” Sara Quin tells me. “I think we’ve lived through that and we’ve seen ourselves break onto the pop charts and we’ve been to the Oscars and we’ve had lots of mainstream success.” But that mainstream success wasn’t an accident. The sisters consciously changed up their sound in a way that both required and encouraged the critical reappraisal of pop music. Tegan and Sara couldn’t have happened at any other time, and these times couldn’t have happened without Tegan and Sara. We chatted with Sara about how they got there—but first we talked about caffeine. »
Sounds like you’re making tea.
“I’m actually pouring myself a cup of coffee.”
Coffee, eh? I’m about to drink a Coca-Cola Zero.
“I got off Coca-Cola in my early 20s, and I’ve never gone back.”
Tell me more—this is important.
“It’s very important. It’s a part of my addiction trajectory. In our family, drinking Coca-Cola was like drinking water. It was not uncommon to run into someone from the family at the refrigerator in the middle of the night drinking directly from a two-litre Coke bottle. When I moved out after high school, I remember the woman I was dating was a dancer and a yoga teacher and whatever, and she was not shaming but she’d say ‘You’re drinking poison. Please, can you find something else to drink?’ So I got off it and I’ve never gone back. Just coffee and alcohol.”
I’m actually addicted to energy drinks. Most people are upset by the amount of caffeine I ingest.
“What do you do with all that caffeine? I’m just thinking about it because I only got onto coffee when I was 28, and it completely restructured my day. I was keeping a more stereotypical musician’s lifestyle. Then, when I started drinking coffee, it was like my whole body changed or something. I started getting up super-early, I wanted to go to bed early and then I became more of an active worker during the day. I like to work on music and write songs during daylight hours so I totally ride the caffeine wave in the morning now.”
It’s like you grew up.
[Laughs] “I did grow up—I mean, sort of. At the time, it felt like I was making an adjustment for the better. I know some people really hate astrological stuff. I find it all a bit ridiculous, but, unfortunately, as a Virgo, I do feel like what is said about Virgos is really true: We’re anal-retentive and structured and disciplined and organized. It’s like I’m only allowed to have one vice at a time—I can’t mix and match. When I did drugs, I did drugs. When I drank, I drank. I was never really all over the place. And now, for the most part, I feel like I’m pretty well behaved. But I need to have something I’m always worrying I’m doing too much of.”
I think that’s really important, actually. What’s one little vice?
“Watch how I tie this into something that is relevant. It’s interesting as I get older, too. I realize that there are these preconceived ideas about what it means to work in the arts. I always sort of envied my friends who were creative types who gave in to their darkest impulses: slept all day, did drugs and drank, didn’t have a home, didn’t have a moral compass. That’s probably what people imagine I’m like, so maybe I should try a year where I just give in to all that. But it goes against the grain. My life more closely resembles my friends who are teachers than my friends who are musicians.”
I like the idea of a structured year of rebellion.
“That’s another very Virgo thing. I can’t just let go and get out of control. I have to schedule it all.”
I’m half joking when I say this, but, while I always had my suspicions, the first time I knew my sister was queer was when we were on a road trip listening to Tegan and Sara and she seemingly knew everything about each song. You’ve become a kind of signifier. And I feel like that’s a good thing.
[Laughs] “I think it’s interesting. I’ve had different feelings about it during the past 20 years of being in the music industry. When we first started, we had to push back so hard against the natural instinct to label us or label our audiences or sort of put us in a box and make us unattractive to anyone but queer people. It was brutal. I send people articles that I can practically remember word for word, and they’re horrifying. Not just ‘Whoopsies, here’s a little bit of homophobia’—they’re full-on misogyny and homophobia and, in some cases, vaguely threatening. But there were lots of years when we really pushed back against this idea that our sexuality was relevant and that our music had some kind of categorization because of our sexuality. What I started to realize, while [we were] becoming a more popular mainstream band and seeing our audiences diversify, is that I really want to honour that element. As we started to see more dudes in our crowds, or gaggles of straight girls at a bachelorette party, I found myself wanting to be like ‘No! We’re a queer band. Look at all our cool queer fans.’ So I think there have definitely been different cycles. You know, for most of our career, Tegan and I weren’t just queer women; we were queer women who rejected the notion that we were hot lesbians. We didn’t wear makeup, we had weird haircuts, we didn’t seem to bother with attracting the male gaze—and I think that really pushed people away. It made us even more marginalized in a lot of ways. People always talk about how things have changed and how we’re so much more accepted, but there’s not queer women on the pop charts and there’s not queer women on rock radio and there’s not really any queer women breaking that glass ceiling that I think exists when you’re not something to be objectified by men and women. One of my favourite things about our band is that we can always count on the queer community. Where it once felt somewhat burdensome, I actually think it’s been a total gift and it’s why we continue to make music.”
This is the 10th anniversary of The Con. One of the things I noticed when reading old interviews is that you always mention what a hard time you had when you released the album. What does that mean? What made it hard?
“I’ve actually been thinking about this a lot, because obviously we’re revisiting that time right now, too. We did feel like that was a hard time, but what’s interesting to me is that it’s not that the times have become less hard. At some point in your adult life—or, if you’re really unlucky, earlier—people start to get sick or die or relationships break up or the reality of life hits you for the first time. When we put out The Con, I was going through my first major separation. I had been partnered with someone—we owned a house, the whole thing—and it was really like a divorce. I remember it was when we had started to have a little bit of financial success in our lives—certainly compared to our earlier records. So, all of a sudden there was this weight of death and taxes. It was just like ‘Holy shit! This is life?’ I remember feeling an oppressive weight, wondering what this is all for. We’d already put out multiple records, and it was sort of the same cities, the same clubs, the same days, the same nights. And I remember everything sort of hitting me around that time. We were 27, and I think a lot of people talk about that being the first moment of realizing that’s just the rest of your life. And then you figure out how to deal with it. Nothing has really changed. I still have a lot of those same conflicts and struggles and existential worries, but I’ve learned how to cope with them.”
If you could go back, knowing what you know now, would those problems still seem as large or have you learned to deal with them?
“The one thing I wish I could change about that time—and it’s still something Tegan and I grapple with—is that we were ‘yes people.’ I don’t mean that in a martyrish way; it’s just the way we always were. Our parents had incredibly high expectations of us, and we embody that even as adults. I think we had this paralyzing fear that if we admitted to having a threshold, we would fail or lose momentum and disappear. We were running on that fear for a long time, and The Con was a climactic moment for us because we took on too much and started cracking under that pressure. It really jeopardized the band and my relationship with Tegan. There was a lot of conflict and fighting—physical fighting. We were just miserable. I really wish I could go back and tend to that person a little bit differently.”
You have always seemed very rational about your career and the degree of success you want. That’s surprising for rock stars.
“It goes back to the whole idea that we’re Virgos. A lot of our friends who are artists don’t want to talk about the business— especially if they came out of the ’90s, when everyone still worried about the idea of selling out. Tegan and I came out of that scene. But early on, we became business people. At 20 years old, we would sit down and say ‘What are our goals? What do we want to do? Where do we want to be?’ And that wasn’t cool back then. I think it’s cooler now to be a business person, but I think back then .... We were talking about how much of what we were earning we would put into savings, how much we would reinvest, how much we would put into our RSPs. Those are the kinds of conversations we were having, and it was an alien language to most of our peers.”

WHY YOU SHOULD WASH YOUR FRUIT AND VEGETABLES

FRUIT and vegetables should be washed in baking powder solution to get rid of up to 13 potentially harmful pesticides, a study found.
The traditional raising agent, usually added to flour for cakes and sponges, beat both water and weak bleach at removing traces of the chemicals in trials.
Pesticides can help increase crop yields but concerns over their effects on health have been raised in recent years.
Last month it was revealed that the fruit and veg handed out to children by schools in a Government scheme carried even more pesticide traces than standard supermarket produce.
In the latest study, scientists put two common pesticides – the fungicide thiabendazole, which is absorbed through apple skin, and the insecticide phosmet – on to organic Gala apples.
They then washed them with three different liquids – tap water, a bleach solution and one per cent baking powder mixed with water.
Baking powder proved to be the most effective but it took up to 15 minutes of gentle cleaning to get rid of all the lingering chemicals, scientists found.
Peeling apples was the only way to remove pesticides that had been absorbed.
Research leader Dr Lili He, of the department of food science at Massachusetts University, in the US, said: “The use of pesticides in agriculture has led to an increase in farm productivity.
“However, pesticide residues may remain on agricultural produce where they contribute to the total dietary intake of pesticides.
“Concerns about potential hazards of pesticides to food safety and human health have increased and therefore it is desirable to reduce these residues.
“The standard post-harvest method with bleach solution and a two-minute wash did not effectively remove these pesticides.”
She added: “For apples, the peel can easily be removed.
“However, important nutrients such as polyphenolic compounds, fibres, pigments, vitamins and minerals will also be lost.”
In September, analysis by Pesticide Action Network UK (PAN UK) found British schoolchildren are being exposed to pesticides. Millions of portions of fruit and vegetables are given to 2.3 million children aged four to six under a £40million-a-year scheme funded by the Department of Health.
Samples of fruit and veg handed out included apples that had traces of 11 chemicals.
One sample of raisins imported from Turkey contained residue of 13 pesticides. A pear imported from Portugal bore traces of nine.
PAN UK said more of these carry pesticide traces than regular supermarket fruit and veg.